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July 11, 2003The Great BBQ WarBarbecue. Distinctly Southern. Distinctly different in different parts of the South. My regular barbecue place here in town is Young's. It is their barbecue sauce that I am trying to figure out how to get on the mass market. However, after my post on barbecue the other day, comments came rolling in to the humble ole blog. Joe refers to the mustard based BBQ sauce, Ryan prefers to make his own vinegar based sauce, Dax added a post about BBQ sauce which led me to posts on the subject from Acidman and Phillip. Of course, we can't forget Dax's original posting about the BBQ wars, which I can't find in his archives (Dax send me the link to that post if you can find it.)
then Holly adds a rant about wanting a spicy sauce and bring sauce home with her from Texas--but then--she blasphemed. She dared refer to BBQ as beef and claimed BBQ pork was not the real deal. I'm throwing down the Gauntlet.
Real Barbecue is ALWAYS pork.
You might cook goat, beef, chicken, coon, deer, duck, goose, quail, rabbit, squirrel, whatever, in the barbecue style, but it is NOT BBQ. If you are from a Northern state and haven't spent any appreciable amount of time in the South eating barbecue (St.Louis and Kansas City are exceptions), it is ill advised for you to engage in this war. This is a war unlike any other. The first battle is to determine whether BBQ is anything cooked like BBQ, beef, or pork. Have at it in the comments section. Posted by Adam H at July 11, 2003 10:41 AM ~ Link Cosmos | Trackbacks (2)TacJammer linked with 'cue PhillipCoons.com linked with The Great Barbeque War (cont) Comments
It's gotta be pork to be real BBQ....though I used to make BBQ-style deer that was the next best thing. Posted by: Rita at July 11, 2003 02:51 PMThat crap they have in Kentucky that's basically pulled pork on white bread with hot sauce mixed in is what you get when you start making outrageous claims like this Adam. I grew up in Texas, and you Arkansas sonsbitches only call it Pork caus you're all UA Hogs at heart. Real men eat beef. Barbecue it on the Grill. And what about Ribs? you gonna eat them Pork Ribs your whole life and pick away at the bones? Beef Ribs. Kansas City and St Louis are beef towns. Best in the Nation. Beef. It's what men have for dinner. And Sweet Barbecue Sauce? Pah. That's for Chicken. And Porksteaks. Of which I had two for lunch. Posted by: TheYeti at July 11, 2003 04:31 PMThe Yeti - I AM ON YOUR SIDE.... Pork is for .... well, i will be nice and keep that to myself. Beef is the only way to go!!!! And if ya don't like it, then ya AIN'T HAD THE REAL DEAL!!!! Posted by: holly at July 11, 2003 04:36 PMYou sorry Texan brisket-eaters! That's the distinction! BBQed beef is brisket--it's always brisket. BBQ is pork. Now Yeti, you mention the KY version of BBQ. We already warned Northerners from getting in the fight because they don't understand BBQ. KY stayed in the union during the War for Southern Independence--KY BBQ examples do not qualify. And yes, I have been know to do the Wooooooooooo-PIG--SOOIE yell in public places out of state and not at sporting events--but I am in Arkansas State Indian! And let's clear one thing up real quick here--yes, you can try to barbecue on a grill, but REAL barbecue is on a huge thing we call a pit. Now you brought sauce into it, and that is for the second battle. We'll get into that soon enough. Now Holly and Yeti both, I've been down to the LoonSteer state plenty times and had my share of Beef Brisket cooked like BBQ. No doubt, it is great eatin. It's just not BBQ. It's BBQ in the same way that coon is at the Gillet Coon Supper every January. Makes decent eating, but it's not BBQ. Now I've got to get some back-up from people from not from the LoonSteer State. Posted by: Adam at July 11, 2003 05:01 PMSadly, BBQ is pork. I don't eat it, but it has the fat to make it moist, juicy, and oh-so-trichinosis-tasty. GA BBQ, every tender bite slathered in sauce and crunchy with char. Don't forget the Co-cola. ;p It's much harder to get BBQ beef that way, but when it's right, it's divine. Posted by: S at July 11, 2003 06:24 PMWell, I'm going to throw in my opinion too. BBQ is beef. And, yes I'm from Texas, but honey, we practically invented the stuff. Hands down best BBQ, ever: Goode Co. Barbeque, Houston, Tx. Goode Company website Now prepare to laugh. I'm going to NYC tomorrow, and my first social event is a barbeque, Brooklyn-style. Lord help me. Posted by: Courtney at July 11, 2003 06:41 PMS, you have just made the BEST point EVER.... You said "It's much harder to get BBQ beef that way, but when it's right, it's divine." That, my friend, simply means that you people think BBQ is pork because it is easier to master due to the fat dripping cholestrol filled meat you use. Which in turn means, any IDIOT can make PORK BBQ. Beef - that is the REAL BBQ! And in TX... we don't cook that shit on a grill.... We smoke it.... baste it.... LOVE IT... talk to it.... in a BBQ PIT! So, in summary, Texans are MASTERS are BBQing since BEEF is the BEST! HA HA! I bet you all wish I never found this blog... LOL Posted by: holly at July 11, 2003 07:26 PMI don't care what you think. BBQ is pork! Don't believe me? http://bellsouthpwp.net/j/d/jdaber/2003_07_06_archives.htm#105800428938212934 Holly, The reason I say BBQ is pork is that's the way it is. If you invite people to a BBQ and you give 'em beef, they'll blink and wonder where their pork is. My beef comment is due to my preference for BBQ-ed beef. It's sort of a moot point, really. According to my culinary Bible (Cook's Illustrated/America's Test Kitchen's Best Grilling & BBQ), it's the sauce, not the cookin'. ;p Any North State Blogger will tell you that barbecue is Pork - period, full stop. Really - it's in the rules. I might even go so far as to suggest that if you don't cook your own barbecue, your opinion doesn't really count that much... but I'm a snob that way. And by the way, if your 'cue needs sauce, you ain't doin' it right. Posted by: Russ at July 13, 2003 06:51 PMOhmygosh! Adam...What are you smoking? God gave us cows so we could have good BBQ. He gave us pigs for breakfast and Easter. Pork BBQ sucks! Posted by: Jen at July 14, 2003 11:30 PMCheck the Congressional Record. It's there somewhere that Congress awarded the Champion Barbecue Cooking Award to the Skylight Inn, of Ayden, Pitt County, North Carolina. This was (and is) whole hog pit cooking. There was a front page article in the little town's paper with a documented bio stating that the Dennis family had been selling BBQ in and around Ayden since around Civil War time. Texas became a state during the time period 1846-1861. Pork and beef is like oranges and apples, don't you think? Posted by: Indigo at July 15, 2003 10:51 PMIf you are in NC and you refer to BBQ, It had better be pig. Not Beef, not chicken, not potatoe chips, and not a cookout in the back yard. But then, we don't canre what the rest of y'all call it, we know we are right. Posted by: Tony Hooker at July 20, 2003 01:06 AMI'm from Tuscaloosa, Alabama and I only have one word for y'all: DREAMLAND www.dreamlandbbq.com/ Ribs and bread, baby. No cole slaw, no baked beans, just ribs, white bread and cold beer. As far as location and ambience go, you can't beat Dreamland BBQ in Tuscaloosa. And don't even try to talk about the Dreamlands in Birmingham, Atlanta or any other city, because they are not the same. I can safely say that if you have never been to Dreamland in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, you have never eaten real BBQ. I know everybody is going to say that it's crazy, but if anybody else reading this has ever eaten there, I know 100% that they can back me up on this. A close second for the best BBQ in the world is also found in Tuscaloosa: Archibald's. A little less known in the BBQ world, but nonetheless better than anything else, except Dreamland. Posted by: Andrew at March 25, 2004 07:14 AMFood Network's new hit series, "BBQ America with Bobby Flay" is going to war........the war between charcoal and gas that is! Backyard barbecuers should send us a videotape telling us why you prefer using charcoal or gas. This is your chance to stand up for your cooking method! Be creative….have fun…..Tell us what's on your mind and don't hold back…Remember, you're debating with the "Jones'" who believe their method is best! The best tapes will be aired on the show. Please include cover letter with names, phone #s, e-mail address, home address and fax #. Please, no music on tapes. Mail your videos to:
If you have any questions, please email Tina at: Dreamland is a distant, distant second to Archibald's in Northport. There is also an Archibald's in Cottondale, down the road a bit. Northport also has Archibald's & Woodrow's. And Woodrow's is opening soon in beautiful downtown Tuscaloosa. All serve the same great 'cue and the same sauce. ALL will beat Dreamland's, which is still an excellent rib. And all serve butt as well as rib, chopped or sliced, but not pulled. Posted by: Chesley at April 29, 2004 03:48 PMDreamland is a distant, distant second to Archibald's in Northport. There is also an Archibald's in Cottondale, down the road a bit. Northport also has Archibald's & Woodrow's. And Woodrow's is opening soon in beautiful downtown Tuscaloosa. All serve the same great 'cue and the same sauce. ALL will beat Dreamland's, which is still an excellent rib. And all serve butt as well as rib, chopped or sliced, but not pulled. Posted by: Chesley at April 29, 2004 03:48 PMUp here a good BBQ is burgers , dogs and chicken on the grill !!! Posted by: Yankee chef at June 7, 2004 09:35 PMBarbecue is pork! Beef is beef. You texans need to stick to chili and give up the BBQ Ego. You can take that Tomato based spagetti sauce and pour it over fried balogne and it will taste the same as your beef. You should be ashamed anytime you have to mask the taste of your meat with that thick suffocating sauce. This the funniest and fun-est debate I ever ran across. Your are all correct about bbq. But Dreamland-Tuscaloosa supporters are the correct-est. I've tried 'em all. That oughta settle it by-hell. Posted by: Roy at September 20, 2004 05:44 PMSince Big John died, the sauce they have sent me for the last 2 years (Dreamland sauce) has been terrible. Deamland used to be my favorite but Big John must have taken the recipe with him when he left. I'll try it again in a year or so and see if they got their act together. Posted by: Jon at January 29, 2005 12:32 PMPost a comment
 
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